Alabama Sued Over Immigration Law

Geez, I just said there needs to be another solution. I knew some of those illegal, aliens whatever you want to call them or ethinically slur them with. They were actively recruited by a company in their home town. Ratchet back a bit please.

American Companies actively solicited for jobs, people in Mexico and South American. But then no one at the time stopped them, especially towns and states that had the company's plant in their area.

Human Migration has Always been since Humans walked the earth. What do people think they can stop Human Migration? Not ever going to happen, never has and never will. And that's just putting aside the fact that many Mexicans still believe that California and Texas really belong to Mexico..

bilweeler

Post all the links you want but Let me tell you how this really works. I lived in Texas for 10 years (Dallas and Fort Worth). We were inundated with Illegal Aliens. When I left Texas in 2008, the last 3 police murdered officers had been killed by Illegal Aliens; one of them had been deported 3 previous times.

When my wife died in 2006, a ring of identity thieves using Illegal immigrants working in the hospital stole her personal information while her organs were being removed from her body to help others. Those bastards opened nearly $500,000 in accounts using her Data in Hispanic Credit Unions, banks, and through credit cards in the week between when she died and she was buried. It cost me over $150K in legal costs to clear her good name.

Her in Raleigh, 7 months ago an 80 man walking across the street with the light was hit by an Illegal Alien and killed (Hit and Run). He is now awaiting trial so he can be deported and come back next week. Right now, even in Raleigh, go to any low income / section 8 apartment complex and see how many Illegals are there. If the damned federal government is doing such a good job, why are they still here?

Chris.......that is despicable what happened to your wife's identity. These illegals bring no good with them.....nada! If one has to live underground most of one's actions will be perverse and contributing nothing positive to the area in which they live!

Maria,

Geez, I just said there needs to be another solution.

This is personal to me as I have seen and felt first hand what the illegal alien does here. Stolen ID to get a work permit, get the kids born here so that they can sponsor Mom and Dad at a later date. Breaking our laws with impunity for their own gain and nothing more. Isn't that what you rile against with business, banks, poluters, and ponzie schemers?

When we lived in Texas, one of our neighbors worked for DHS. She regularly had people come in for food stamp, and welfare assistance that she knew were there with fake IDs but without "Concrete Proof" she could not challenge their documentation without getting written up for "Profiling". Millions of dollars in just Fort Worth alone was going to support this sub group that I define as no different than a bank robber, but instead one that steals from the taxpayer. Why do I believe this is true? When I went to the county records office to get extra copies of my wife's Death Certificate, there were 4 women in there with 7 children between them. they spoke no or little English, had paper food stamp coupon booklets hanging out of their back pockets (2006), getting copies of birth certificates for their children. It isn't too hard to connect the dots here.

I see the same thing here in Raleigh. Just 2 days ago, a woman was arrested for leaving his 3 children in a car when the temp was 102. They are holding here on suspicion of being in the country illegally, but the immigration spokesman stated on the local evening news that she would "Probably be granted entrance because her children might be Citizens." What is wrong with that picture? You REWARD someone for breaking the law. How dose that tell people not to break others? That is like giving a drunk a case of Jack Daniels and telling him to drink himself sober.

I'm all for arresting the business owners that hire them and putting them in jail, but I still say, if the Federal Government is doing such a damned good job, why am I ass deep in them even in Raleigh, NC? That is the issue. If the Federal Government would do their job, others wouldn't be required to do it for them.

And that's just putting aside the fact that many Mexicans still believe that California and Texas really belong to Mexico.

The treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo was signed in 1848, too bad, get over it. There are probably some in England that would like to think the United States still belongs to them or those in France that would like to think that the Mississippi River Basin from Louisiana to Michigan belongs to them. They are welcome to come over and try to take it back. But that would be an invasion, wouldn't it? I guess that is why I think the "Illegal Aliens" are mounting an invasion too.

When my wife died in 2006, a ring of identity thieves using Illegal immigrants working in the hospital stole her personal information while her organs were being removed from her body to help others.

Wow you can actually narrow the time of the theft that specific.

but without "Concrete Proof" she could not challenge their documentation without getting written up for "Profiling". Millions of dollars in just Fort Worth alone

Yep it's not right that you need proof. What is this country comong to be.

Once I was prospecting in the North Trigos, and was abducted by aliens, and was quite frightened. They were short brown beings, that wore somberos. I befriended them, they gave me tacos for gold.

I asked them who their leader was. They said they had no leader only a tyrant, called, How ya say? oh yes, the Calderon. They said their land had gold, silver, more oil than the Saudi's, fertile soil, and some of the most beautiful coastlines. Yet while the rich their, are filthy rich they lived in cardboard boxes.

They confronted the Calderon about this injustice. He told them not to worry, he spoke to the Hussein in America, because the other Hussein was sent to the gallows, courtesy of George Bush.

The Hussein in America, told the Calderon, send them here, because he and his comrades, were in trouble, and needed their votes, and not to worry, if any state interfered, the Hussein would sue that state.

Back to my Tall Iced Tea and Stogey

Nick46

Wow you can actually narrow the time of the theft that specific.

Yes I can. My wife was declared brain dead on Monday, August 21. The ID Theft took place between then and when the rest of her body was sent to the crematorium on Tuesday August 22. The Accounts were opened starting on August 22 and continues on until August 25th when a notice was put in the paper of her death and the funeral home notified the credit agencies. In that time, the thieves had opened 63 accounts using her identity. In October, I started getting calls about accounts in her name from people speaking in Spanish (Neither she or I spoke Spanish). In February 2007, the ring was broken. They had over 200 Illeagal Aliens working in Hospitals as laborors allover the Dallas / Fort Worth Metroplex. When the leaders were caught, they had over 10,000 pieces of personal information from people in the hospitals. So Yes, I can pin it down.

Perhaps if it were your wife, you would feel a little differently.

Nick46,

Yep it's not right that you need proof. What is this country comong to be.

There is a BIG difference between Concrete Proof and Reasonable suspicion, Skippy. No one could even question a document unless it was so blatantly false (like 3 people applying for benefits using the same name in the same day; that actually happened) that a conviction was assured before ever calling the supervisor. No one would stick their neck out and so anyone that applied was turned away. I don't know where you live, but just go down to JPS Hospital in Fort Worth and see what happens.

But, just go ahead and run up that medicaid / welfare / social service bill in Texas. You don't have to pay for it.

Perhaps if it were your wife, you would feel a little differently.

No dead is dead. I don't worry about dead people.

"no dead is dead. I don't worry about dead people"

I am appalled that you would treat the death of Chris' wife with such a cavalier manner!

Yep, HATRED AND BIGOTRY, IS ALIVE AND WELL IN THE US and GOOD SENSE IS GONE. Just because someone's road of Life has pot hole, speed bumps or sinkholes, THEY really MUST spew all that sorrow out AS HATE on other human beings SIMPLY because those people ARE ALIVE.

Maria,

Yep, HATRED AND BIGOTRY, IS ALIVE AND WELL IN THE US and GOOD SENSE IS GONE.

No, it is about following our laws just like any other country require us to do. Our Immigration laws are not much different than any other country in the world. I lived in France and you don't want to see what they do to Illegal Aliens. Your butt will be out of there in two shakes and they don't give 2 whits if you have had kids in their country. After the fall of the USSR, they got rid of Birthright Citizenship. Yo keep the citizenship of your parents.

Where do you suggest we draw the line? what crimed do you prosecute and which ones do you ignore? Do we quit prosecuting the Drug Dealer because he is only"trying to make a living"? Do you not prosecute the bank robber because he was broke and, after all , he was only stealing from those nasty bankers that you don't like anyway? How about the guy that runs a Ponzie Scheme? His is only trying to make money like every one else. Where do you stop?

We have let companies and individuals hire these people and turned our heads. If businesses or individuals continue to hire illegals, they need to have the piss fined out of them and their officers thrown in jail. That has to stop. Just because they can pay slave wages is no answer and it hurts everyone. How many out of work Americans would gladly take jobs in the building trade if the wages weren't suppressed by the Illegal Aliens?

ButWe cannot continue to pay for people to stay on our social safety net systems only because they don't have one in their country. I was in Europe when the USSR started Crumbling.that is why Europe got rid of birthright citizenship; their social services were getting overwhelmed by the refugees from the USSR. They would come into Germany, France , Belgium, or the Netherlands, have a child and then camp on the social services system; surprise, isn't that what is happening here?

Many liberals claim that these people don't break any laws except entry, but I can tell you for a Fact that is not true. Identity Theft is the largest crime in Texas. Right behind it is the fraud against the welfare systems in the border states. For a long time down in Brownsville and other areas around the Rio Grande, the illegals would come across theborder and go right into the hospital and have their kid on US Soil at the taxpayer's expense. Is that right? Yes, I am angry as hell about what they did to me and my wife's good name. Are you not angry about what the manufacturers and users of Agent Orange did? I bet if we got on that subject, you could get pretty hostile yourself; it is all in what you have been exposed to.

I'm all for a comprehensive immigration plan, but not one that rewards people for breaking our laws. If you don't like the law, work to get a better one, but don't just ignore it. then, all you do is give people a reason to do it again. Its like they say:

If you give a mouse a cookie, he'll want a glass of milk, if you give him a glass of milk, he'll want a straw. ....

I am not against the people because they exist, butI am against people breaking the law and then being rewarded for doing so or having people dismiss the breaking of the law because they "Had No Choice". This wouldn't be tolerated in any other country in the world, but it is here; we justify the breaking of the law because it is "unjust" rather than try to fix it. That is the lazy approach.

Chris,

I am sorry for your loss. While I disagree on many of the things you have posted I do see where you are coming from. I have had a couple of my credit card's info stolen and used in foreign countries and one that was used in Detroit, I current live in the Detroit Metro Area, and My bank suspended my debit card once for someones attempted fraudulent use. With all of that I don't believe any of those thefts were done by illegals.

Their are many US citizens who are using illegals to preform all kinds of scams from slip and falls to automobile accidents.

I know it's discouraging that so many illegals are in gangs and have committed many crimes here. I was raised in So. Cal. and lived there most of my life until recently. I believe there must be some sort of immigration reform and punishment for all of those who break our laws, both businesses and immigrants. I just don't think it is the States place to do this.

What 'reward' looking over their shoulder all the time for the law, paying Double the fines at the courthouse, paying Double the cost of utility Deposits, paying Rent a Center double costs for a washing machine...you have no idea how much and what they did without to stay in America, and that's on top of lower wages, longer hours and less benefits as in none. So sure, they were used and abused But they knew that they weren't going to be recruited by a drug cartel or their kids. Why do you think the biggesst majority were teenage boys that came here?

Oh but don't think of the horrible conditions in South America or Mexico because That's Not Our Problem.

Again, Human Migration is since Forever, from conditions of the land or the population, there is NO Stopping Human Migration. That's why I stated Find a Solution. And that does not include them paying $10,000 for a green work card or $50,000 for a Visa...There is Major corruption in the immigration lawyer side of it and Major corruption on the Mexican and South American visa side of the situation....Or else they would be in America Legally. It is the Biggest reason for all the illegal entries into America.

Now if someone were to fix that problem as in Anyone can enter the US legally through the front door just bring your Birth Certificate, A certficate of Baptism, A certificate of Education and notorized by your local American Consul, then Fingerprint, Blood Type, DNA type and photo, give them the ID with instructions, Also tell them Report their address to the local police station, lose this and you're in jail for 20 years.

Now fill this out for a Social Security card, get a job, file taxes and be an upright Citizen living in America.

Maria,

What 'reward' looking over their shoulder all the time for the law, paying Double the fines at the courthouse, paying Double the cost of utility Deposits, paying Rent a Center double costs for a washing machine...you have no idea how much and what they did without to stay in America, and that's on top of lower wages, longer hours and less benefits as in none. So sure, they were used and abused But they knew that they weren't going to be recruited by a drug cartel or their kids. Why do you think the biggesst majority were teenage boys that came here?

The biggest reward this country has is in fact American citizenship and all of the things that we think are "bottom of the barrel" that these people consider two steps short of heaven. Have you ever been to San Paulo or Port au Prince? I was in San Paulo in the late 90's when I was cautioned to "take off my wedding ring" because if I got outside of the area where I was protected, there were people that would cut off my finger for the gold in my ring. I've been to Subic Bay and Olongapo City where you can find any vile thing that the depraved mind can think of. When I was at the Subic Bay Hospital recovering from one of my sucking chest wounds, "Popo City" would have made Sodom and Gamorrah look like a vacation bible school. Yes, I have seen with my own eyes just how bad the real world is and I would gladly help anyone out of it, but by legal means.

There is Major corruption in the immigration lawyer side of it and Major corruption on the Mexican and South American visa side of the situation..

I'm sure that there is and no matter how hard I try I can't fix them all. But I know I will never fix them by just ignoring the law. Like I said, Fix the Law, but ignoring it just guarantees that it will never be fixed. Just like this crap about the debt ceiling; until you address the root cause that politicians like to spend other people's money, you will never get it under control. Looking the other way is the reason we don't have an immigration policy. Until we fix the law nothing will ever get fixed because it is much easier to just turn your head and pretend we didn't see it. That is the real problem; the Easy Button is all we know.

bilweeler

We may be political opponents, but there we are not enemies

I never thought we were ro I wouldn't be here. I disagree with a lot of things here on news vine, and posters like Nick don't bother me. I served with the 3rd Marines in Quang Tri and Thau Thien Provinces of Vietnam in 68 and 69, there is little that he can do to bother me except piss me off. Hell, I've been shot at, shot, and bathed in Agent orange, so what exactly can someone like that do to bother me, but thanks for the concern.

Mstanley2265 and I disagree on most issues, but we are still friends. I am a slightly to the right centrist with Libertarian leanings but I'm a big proponent of doing things by the law. It is always my concept to fix the law, don't just ignore it or it will never get fixed. I've seen what happens in many countries when the law breaks down and it isn't pretty. When we start disregarding the law, whether we agree with it or not, we start down a road that will eventually end in either anarchy or servitude. I have seen both and want to see neither again.

I've been saying for years to Fix the Immigration Law and Recognize that South of the American Border is corruption and we can't fix that so fix the how and why of Entry into the US. But it's a bunch of people that would rather spend huge amounts of money to 'control' uncontrollable American Borders than enact a better way of legal entry into the US. And that is moronic in the extreme.

devie

I just don't think it is the States place to do this.

I'm reading a book now by Col. Jack Jacobs (the guy here on newsvine / NBC and a recipient of the Medal of Honor). It is call If Not Now, When? In it he makes the repeats the old remark, "If not you, Who? If not Now, When?" While I don't like the states getting into doing the Federal Government's job, I still say that there has been a terrible job done by the government over the past 30 years at enforcing our existing laws.

I would love to let everyone come here that wanted to do so, but our social safety nets can barely care for our own; I'm sorry, but that is just a fact. Since the Federal Government is either unable or unwilling to stop (or even slow down) the influx or stop the businesses from hiring these people, then, as the book says "Of not You, Who? If Not now, When?"

Well, while reading your book, also read up on how America was immigrated to by the Europeans, how America had to fight a Bloody war to be free of Europe, how America had to go bail out the Europeans in WWI and WWII, how Europeans messed up South America and Mexico, how America can take European Immigrants and not Mexican...Oooops that wouldn't have anything to do with a biased attitude would it?

Those "people" have been coming across the border since before America or Mexico was either one. They are for the most part natives. Mayans, Incans, etc. Borders mean little to them when they travel for food or jobs. Yet, America has 'quotes' that Include the World and never ever going to really include Mexico..After all their skin is brown, not white...After all they never fought in Our Wars, built our schools, roads, homes. After all they haven't contributed more to this country than not. Treat them like we do the Canadians, not going to happen, Canadians are one of 'us'.

Maria,

After all their skin is brown, not white

So is mine (a brown shade that is). My "bias" is not against race unless you are calling me racist. My family consists of White from Scotland, Irish, Algonquin, Eastern Cherokee, and Lumbee Native American, and my mother was a Louisiana Cajun who, in those less "politically correct" times was called "Mulatto" (Yes, I do know what it means and yes it has been researched). My family was multi-racial long before it was en vogue. If you want to say I'm racist, please tell me what side and generation of my family you want me to hate.

Treat them like we do the Canadians, not going to happen, Canadians are one of 'us'.

Canadians can't just cross the border, get a job, and immigrate without following the same process as everyone else or can we do that in Canada. We tried and couldn't in 1996. We had lived in Canada from late 1993 through 1996. We loved it so much that my wife's ashes are buried in Mount Pleasant cemetery in Toronto and there is a place for me too. We could not immigrate at that time even tho we both had skills that were valued and needed because there weren't any "Slots" for Americans left that year. Yes, we will eventually immigrate to Canada, we just have to wait till after death to do it.

They are for the most part natives. Mayans, Incans, etc. Borders mean little to them when they travel for food or jobs. Yet, America has 'quotes' that Include the World and never ever going to really include Mexico.

But get the chip off your shoulder. We have laws now like it or not, they are not different than anyone Else's in the world. You don't want to live in Somalia do you? That is the ultimate lawless state where anyone can immigrate if they want to. I'm not interested, but feel free. Try immigrating to Brazil, Argentina, or even Mexico. They have the same negotiated rules as we do. If you don't like the laws, then go get them changed. Get the deal re-negotiated or drop the quotas all together. I didn't write the laws to don't blame me for the problems. I'm all for getting an immigration policy passed into law. But I'm not for just ignoring the law because I don't like it. I don't like highway laws either, but I don't drive 95 in a school zone because I do believe there are reasons for some laws being there. Maybe you should consider the same

No, I'm trying to get the whole dang mess changed to a more reasonable Civlized approach dealing with migration between America and Mexico. The applying for visa's and all that is so outdated and Patently Not Workable. And it's very use on the South American and Mexican side is soooo corrupted that there is no hope of fixing that.

Oh, they're not as attuned to going by the law, because they grew up in countries where the law is more useless than useful, that is another huge problem. When they know that bribery works better than the law does, the inner guidance for obeying the Law is reduced if not demolished. Our standards regarding the Law are way different than theirs. Most of the ones that I knew were more apt to follow the Ten Commandments than any law from either their country or ours. Which once they learned that Our Law wasn't corrupted or bribable they started being more careful. As in trying to abide by the American state laws.

As to the ID theft, white people do that, my niece in law had hers stolen by a woman that wound up in prison in California.....after a cross country spree from Minnesota to California under several other names.

I'm from European stock, and my grandfather said we are 4th generation you're fifth and You are an American not a European. And he outlined the 'sins' of the European in no uncertain terms. :)

But make no mistake, the jobs that companies actively recruited Mexicans and South Americans for here in the US, it was the Companies that Bypassed the Law, Americans by birth that Bypassed the Law. The workers were only concerned about making money.

One old man that I knew spent most of his life in Alabama. His daughter and grandson died in childbirth. He couldn't go to their funeral because he was the one making the money to pay for the funeral. His wife needed medicines, he was here to make the money for the family. His wife died, he was still here making the money to pay for the funeral. Not just theirs but anyone in his family that died. They were farmers with just a few acres of land.

Mexico doesn't have the safety nets in place for the poor indigent peoples. You won't see the more 'Spanish' people coming to America. If they do, they bring the indigent people with them to be their workers or servants. That's how it works.

There will always be jobs for the indigent people of Mexico in America, jobs that Americans won't do. Farming jobs that are hard work. We educate our children to do the easier jobs in air conditioned buildings for the most part. There are some that will do the hard jobs but only until they get the better jobs. Now, that is turning around some, but working in the fields, nada. Georgia found that out the hard way this year. They lost fields of melons to rot because of a lack of labor.

You are NOT welcomed to participate further in this discussion, nor any other discussion I post here. Please take your writing skills to some other site where they may be more appropriate...if there is such a place.

Unfortunately for you. You do not own the site. And just because you started the discussion it doesn't mean you can delete statements that you don't happen to like or agree with. They must violate the COH to be deleted and stay deleted. MSN will review the deletions at my request and reinstate them if the do not violate the COH.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion but you can't censor someone because you disagree.

Do what you have to do. I deleted those posts; I'm not going to restore them. That's how I'm expressing my opinion, and as you stated, "everyone is entitled to their opinion."

It's not up to you whether they get restored or not. If I complain to NV and they see that they do not violate the COH they will restore them and send you a nasty gram.

This board is about opinions and you cannot delete someone simply because you don't like someone's opinion.

I didn't insult Chris so why would I apologize. Dead is dead that's how I feel about death. I can't help that he took it personally.

I haven't run to anyone for help. If I did my stuff would have been reposted since it did not violate the COH.

bilweeler

You quoted my post, but ignored the request for a link demonstrating laws are not being enforced.

Your source says that the Federal Government deported "396,000 last year". Lets see 396,000 out of an estimated between 20 and 30 Million, that is between 1.3% and 1.9%; really doing a bang up job there. By the way, that doesn't take into account those that are still crossing the border illegally. How many is that last year; 250, 000 or 350,000? That would make the Deportation rate out to be ... not much! So, I stand by the argument that they aren't doing their job in enforcing immigration law (both deportation and controlling the influx) .

There is one big company who actually has transported them illegally into our area.

If you have proof then name the company. Then report them with your proof.

I have!

So name the company here. You'll get more support.

Oh, sure, and then I open up an can of worms. Suffice it to say that the proper authorities have been notified and I remain anonymous!

Illegal immigrant foreigners should have no rights in this nation. All of them should be imprisoned and thrown in work camps.

Yeah, building a fence!

Or just ask Mexico to be the 51st United State

Sorry fences don't work.

How about holding the businesses accountable that hire illegal aliens? How about an immigration policy that holds immigrants accountable with a work visa program that requires them to have a job or they must leave?

Sorry, hatred isn't the answer.

Ahhh but Hatred is cheaper and easily accessible to one and all.....otherwise the Brain in the Skull may have to be called into use...:)

Hatred? Some people may hate foreigners but I want them to leave unless they desire citizenship. Those that do must work with our government to obtain citizenship. They are not entitled to live here. They have to earn the right to live in this nation. Those that refuse and opt to violate our sovereignty should be severely punished and any business that hires illegal labor should be liquidated of all its assets and the head owners/CEO/President should be charged with treason and given a life sentence in federal prison.

Sorry fences don't work.

Oceans don't work. A little fence isn't going to stop anyone.

Oceans don't work. A little fence isn't going to stop anyone.

A large fence, patrolled by armed Border Patrol agents, will stop more than you might think.

fedup,

A large fence, patrolled by armed Border Patrol agents, will stop more than you might think.

There is one and they do. Sorry but it's going to take more than that.

A large fence, patrolled by armed Border Patrol agents, will stop more than you might think.

Where there is a will there is a way. Ever here that? This country is full of illegal immigrants that don't cross that border.

Where there is a will there is a way. Ever here that? This country is full of illegal immigrants that don't cross that border.

There would be far fewer to deal with, if our southern border was actually enforceable. Once we get that under control, we can move on to our northern border. And we can go after companies who knowingly hire them.